----------------------------------- Don Croft Sun 12 Jul, 2009 05:38 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Good job, Carolien--I'm blown away by the quality of the work! My patterns are kind of crude by comparison. Our business was under radionics assault a month ago, characterized by sharply, suddenly dwindled orders. On the day when I set up a 108 the orders started coming in as before and stayed steady until a week ago, when I delivered that 108 to Dooney and Steve. Then the orders dwindled again, for Carol and I. I'm waiting for some feedback from Dooney and Stevo, since they are also under constant radionics assault. The other business person, besides Carolien, who is particularly targetted that way is Andy Schwarm of ctbusters.com . I'm not happy that we're being perpetually smacked by the CIA and NSA this way but I'm glad nobody else among our associates evidently is. I'm making another pattern, now, and will make some trick, conical orgonite bits for each of the 108 points. I'll use TBs sort of like Andy's, this time, and will add nice crystals and spiral coils inside. Cones and pyramids have almost equal energy dynamics, evidently, and I bet the cone shape will really blast out. I don't mind the lull in business, much, because I hadn't been able to get ahead with production, so my personal life was suffering. I'm definitely NOT a workaholic. It's still early to make any claims for this device, which was invented by Cesco, based perhaps on Kelly's earlier field experiments. Promoting it is a little bit dicey because Cesco hasn't mentioned whether he favors others profitting from this intellectual property. Also, when he was last here, a year and a half ago, he was uncertain whether an identical orgonite piece should go in the center of each of the seven hexagram 'cells,' which would make the number, 115 rather than 108. Just because Carol and I long ago gave away the plans for orgonite cloudbbusters, the Succor Punch, Powerwand, the Big Secret, Holy Handgrenades and Towerbusters doesn't mean that it's appropriate for other inventors to give away their creations, of course. I'm sure not giving away the formulas for the 'secret ingredients' of our own commercial offerings, after all 8) because we want to keep a competitive edge and there is always more than one way to accomplish anything. That said, I'd be very pleased if it's appropriate for Carolien to market these beautiful templates and perhaps the orgonite that goes on them. Since the orgonite is interactive I think it would be productive to boost it with gems, coils, etc., in an intelligent way. The only way to get a good idea of the device's parameters is to get a whole lot of them in the hands of people who are in a position to give substantive feedback. That's how we test our own mods before we decide to market them. ~Don ----------------------------------- Don Croft Fri 24 Jul, 2009 01:50 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- There are other happy entities in addition to the butterfly in that photo, carolien, also something substantial in the middle of the sylph in the last photo ;) ~Don ----------------------------------- Andy Schwarm Wed 02 Sep, 2009 00:52 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- I finally got my 108 built. It's here in the middle of my flat. I haven't yet figured where to set it up, but I was anxious to see what it looks and feels like. It looks cool and feels good! I took a pic but the site won't accept my upload. It's big! Four feet a side. Maybe under my bed? Dream in the 108th dimension? I don't have any impressions yet, I just set it up. Thanks Don, for the pattern. You have such excellent patience. Nicely done. Those that have 108's, what shall I look for? Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------- Andy Schwarm Wed 02 Sep, 2009 01:09 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- [IMG]http//img16.imageshack.us/img16/9342/108phm.th.jpg[/IMG] It reminds me of a Parchesi board. ----------------------------------- Egoli.buster Wed 02 Sep, 2009 11:20 My 108 ----------------------------------- The 108 is a geometrical arrangement of orgonite towerbusters on a pattern very similar to what is known as "the flower of life". These are essentially simple geometrical patterns, based on hexagonal partitions of circles. Some people regard these geometries as sacred. The idea for the 108 was first proposed and tested by Cesco of matheriaetherica.com In the meantime a few etheric warriors have started trying them out. The good thing about the orgone network is that we always have a phase of testing by different orgonistas with different sensitivities. After all we don't want to promote products or ideas just on hearsay. Sometimes this may be seen as a slow down when someone is very excited about a new discovery or perception, but it guarantees that we're not falling for the trap of becoming self proclaimed new age gurus who try to make a cult out of their particular sensitivity or perception. Our friend Manfred Hotwagner has started the etheric research forum www.ethericresearch.com for exactly this type of research. The question in this test would be if the sum of all parts in this arrangement is doing more than the parts on their own, namely 108 TBs. We are pretty familiar with what 108 TBs do on their own, as we always have a few 100 on our premises. http//www.orgoniseafrica.com/expimg/090823Friederikepainting108-200.jpg Friederike lovingly waterclolouring the design Of course there is a strong and somewhat founded suspicion that certain geometries or shapes have particular energy signatures. After all, ancient traditions have put great emphasis on the study of sacred geometry. But we don't just want to jump onto the new age bandwagon and get prematurely very excited. We leave that to the wannabe Gurus, ok? The final kick to overcome my natural inertia and get busy with this experiment came from the feedback that some of the first experimentors gave The energy of this setup is appartently very strong and could give extended protection against all kinds of etheric interference. Since we are constantly aware of such interference being directed at us, it was a no brainer to get us started. http//www.orgoniseafrica.com/expimg/090823Georgglueing108-1.jpg Georg sticking them on And after sticking them on and putting the board upright, just standing in front of it, I must say Wow! http//www.orgoniseafrica.com/expimg/090823my108-400.jpg Wow, I have never felt anything like it! In a way it felt like being hit by direct sunlight, but much more pleasant and energising. (and sunlight is already pleasant, I think) But this light does not stay on the surface of your skin, it goes right through, embracing all molecules of your body. The whole space feels lit up and energized. Also there is a sensation of a very high frequency sound, but it's not in the ear. We have hung it on the wall of our kitchen which serves as our dinng room as well. Whenever I walk past it, I feel compelled to stand in front of it and spead the arms in order to soak up that energy. The night after it was finished, I went into the EW chat and asked the psychics if they could pick up some interference on our business, because I had a week with very low orders and it felt like one of the usual radionics blockades we so frequently have to put up with. The feedback I got from Axel that evening was, that the energy of the new 108 is so strong, it has already blasted away all interference. Finished and klaar then as we say in South Africa? A day later I went to visit our highly psychic friend Valda and on just telling her about it, she could tune into the energy and confirmed that it's extremely powerful. I'm still "under the influence", but I suggest you follow the discussion on EW and in the etheric science forum. ----------------------------------- Don Croft Sun 06 Sep, 2009 11:50 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Dan, we're still in the exploratory phase with this device and I'm kind of proud of the way people are not getting carried away with blind imitation. Kelly has reminded me that this is not his invention, by the way. I think I was giving the impression that it is. This is Cesco's tentative presentation and Kelly has gone on to experiment with a 114 arrangement. So far, we've had nothing but good experiences with ours, as have Dooney and STevo and one or two others. We looked closely at your problem in Dooney's chatroom, yesterday, and focused mainly on the unhappy entity that Kelly found on/under your property. Stevo evidently got into a dialog with this one and all the psychics had the impression that the entity is an elemental who is extremely displeased with the world order's manipulation and sabotage of Bali's energy field, also not able or willing to distinguish that from your own engineering. Francie, early on, clearly saw a witch doctor looking closely at you these days and that one is probably associated with the elemental & anxious about the technology you're using. Bali is the only island in that enormous archipelago, as far as I know, whose inhabitants have mostly held to the older ways and didn't embrace Islam when Arab merchants and scholars went there so many centuries ago. I think it was only the Turks and perhaps Moghuls who forced conversion to Islam, which was very much against Muhammad's teachings. The style of Hinduism in Bali seems to me like the more ancient animism that we see in Tibetan Buddhism and Shintoism, which may be to say that the 'older ways' involve close cooperation with elementals. A nice confirmation of that may be the way that the Shinto priests whom Tetsuzi-san met were eager to accept his orgonite gifts for their shrine/vortex; they immediately understood the energy and its uses. Stevo evidently worked out a deal with your elemental room mate to let you reassemble the 108 and keep it going for three months, if you're willing. He promised not to interfere during that time while he evaluates it. We had an awful lot of fun in that chat session, by the way. Francie's past exposure to Jesuits at college in Georgetown produced some Jesuit predators in a murder ritual, which we also dealt with in the session. I had a notion to 'offer' these child-murderers to that elemental on your property as a gift and Stevo said he accepted. We expressed our love to the elemental who the psychics said was very surprised to find Westerners who honored him/her/it. We operate on the assumption that elementals are neither good nor bad but are certainly essential to all the workings of our planet. This is unspeakably weird to mainstream folks but when one is willing to loose the shackles of conventionality it's a whole lot of fun and also empowering to interact with elementals, most of whom love orgonite, after all. Your situation reminded me of the big elementals Carol and I encountered on Andros Island in the Bahamas, where we went to gift the blue holes. The Bahamians on that island have gotten pretty far from their African roots and are quite churchified, so they seem to hate and fear the elementals there. Carol immediately got the impression that they hated people on account of it but as soon as we started tossing orgonite out into the very dense bush for them, then into the blue holes over the next few days. I heard them as galloping horses, which didn't surprise me even though you can't penetrate more than a few inches into that jungle without a bulldozer ;) and they were obviously very happy that some people finally acknowledged them. I think the orgonite also toned down the churchy people's paranoia about these nature guardians, too. Your case is absolutely unique, Dan, but I encourage you to avoid making assumptions about the devices and will rather consider the more hidden dynamics. We want to help you resolve this. I think that if the problem were rather with the technology then we'd have heard reports like this from other stable and reputable people but you're the only one so there's obviously something else going on. Kelly did a great job identifying the source of your previous trouble and it might be useful for you to get acquainted with some traditional magicians on Bali if the opportunity arises. If the old ways on Bali were not valid I doubt the people could have kept those traditions into modern times and I like to honor people who do that. There are a few other cultures around the world who have achieved this. The Black Caribs (Garifuna) of Central America are one and I found them quite endearing. There are lots of them in Africa and rural Asia where Big Religion clergy haven't bludgeoned people into superstition and paranoia about natural forces. A witch doctor in the mountains of North Thailand sent an emissary to get instructions for making orgonite from Eddie-san when he was vacationing there a few years ago. They didnt' know each other and as far as I know Eddie hasn't gotten any followup. I had the opportunity to receive a lot of similar stories/teachings from Dorothy the Witch, who was one of a 3,000 year family line of witches from Wales and perhaps a longer line of medicine people from the Seneca tribe. She has travelled to over 40 countries in a synchronous way and was sought out by members of ancient, benevolent secret orders in most of those. We could learn a lot about synchronicity from folks like these if we're fortunate enough to know them. A group of kindly witches gave protection to Carol and her associates when they arrived in rural Kenya 8 years ago and I believe if it weren't for that, the malevolent 'night runners' would have harmed one or more of them, then. This is the hidden world which orgonite suits us to behold and appreciate if we'll open ourselves to it. Some of us need to abandon certain prejudices in order to venture there, of course. ~Don , ----------------------------------- Don Croft Sun 06 Sep, 2009 12:11 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- CArolien mentioned, in the chat, that dark clouds gathered in the sky near her, recently, and she also wondered if this was an effect of the 108. After all, Holland probably has the densest concentration of orgonite cloudbusters of any country, also perhaps the highest percentage of gifted death towers and weather weapons. Research implies a sort of commitment. Carol and I have been experimenting with orgonite for over ten years and we've personally never seen evidence that orgonite can produce harmful effects in any configuration. The only orgonite that makes balanced people even mildly uncomfortable are the intentionally disharmonious products made and sold by a few disreputable orgonite vendors and they achieve that by skillfully combining elements that are not harmonious with each other. One is very unlikely to 'achieve' those effects accidently or stupidly. I suppose there will always be people who lack discernment on a level that makes them susceptible to the hypnotic effects of charismatic scoundrels like those but 'caveat emptor.' Maybe an aspect of commitment is to decide to trust that our orgonite devices are not going to do any harm, so when we get psyched out and are tempted to destroy or dismantle an orgonite device we can perhaps consider that those thoughts are implanted rather than our own. The corporate psychiatrists in Freud's frightful Tavistock tradition work pretty hard to stampede people who are in a position to make the world better, after all. Powering through doubt and uncertainty with some commitment can often produce real gems of new insights, too. It's always better if we discover these on our own, through our own observations and efforts, than to get them second hand. One of the psychics noted that the corporate freaks seem desperate to find a way to overcome the positive effects of the 108, so we ought to expect a little strangeness in our vicinity. As far as we can tell, the harder they try the harder they're falling 8) and it seems to us that this network is turning yet another corner with this new approach: sacred geometry configurations of simple orgonite. I never could have predicted this because, before, the only folks shouting about sacred geometry were high-profile, charismatic scoundrels ;) I guess the obvious 'next step' when seeing manifestations of the corporate predators' displeasure in our vicinity is to see whether it dissipates on its own and how quickly. My hunch is that the more they can throw at any orgonite device, the quicker it will dissipate. Dan, I also haven't heard anyone else report bad effects from chemtrail spraying in many years, except from the chemtrails that are sprayed below the clouds and that's quite rare by now. When the atmosphere has a lot of water in it, the chemtrails seed longer-lasting clouds and this certainly creates a psychological effect in some folks. When I see a long-lasting chemtrail-seeded cloud I actually applaud the corporate predators' tecchies because it's hard for them to achieve that here, as it probably also is where you live. I think they're constantly experimenting with new , ematerials and they bring it to bear most aggressively in places like Bali, where they've lost the most ground to orgonite. I saw one such long-lived cloud across our sky, last week, that partly dropped below the spew altitude but when I saw it a few minutes later, the cloud had flattened and was already dissipating. I like to remind folks who email me about their fear of chemtrails that there's usually one plane spewing the evil stuff in with the other planes that are just seeding transient clouds and the evil (bioweapon?) chemtrails are the ones that disappear almost instantaneously, I believe. Just about everyone, by now, lives in range of at least one cloudbuster so the evil spew is disappearing fast everywhere, now. The Chicken Little disinfo sites are the source of most of the residual chemtrail terror, of course, and the vast majority of people who see chemtrails, now, didn't notice them when they were still sickening and killing people, many years ago. They looked and behaved quite differently, then. I should probably post about that, again. Sometimes repitition is necessary. Also, when there's a lot of water in the atmosphere, making seeded clouds possible, the atmospheric pressure is sometimes low and that's also associated with relative depression and ennui. I hope this helps! Manfred and associates are demonstrating on ethericresearch.com how patient and observant we each need to be to explore any of these phenomena in a thorough and intelligent way. This is in sharp contrast to the way so many of us were blindly jumping to imitate and promote untested claims and tools when a charismatic personality was the source. I think we've come a long way and it makes me very proud of everyone here. ~Don ----------------------------------- Manfred Hotwagner Sun 06 Sep, 2009 18:26 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- I put together a 108 a week ago in my workshop in the basement of our house and am observing its dynamics. As far as I can tell by now, there are just positive effects. The atmosphere in the house has changed to positive. We had a lot of bad interference within the last year and there is a noticeable change into positive. Sometimes the interference can be very bad, as we could notice earlier this year, when, after a time of oppressive atmosphere we had a bad thunderstorm, including a lightning that struck an electric transformer, just a few hundred meters from our house. Such things normally don't happen close to an orgonite CB, so the sewer rats had put BIG EFFORTS into the attempt to make us believe that orgonite would not work. I'm quite sure that this was the revenge for the discover of the "canned orgone effect" and, for sure, also for putting up ethericresearch.com. Anyway, it was only a transient phenomenon. Manfred ----------------------------------- Moritz Sun 06 Sep, 2009 22:33 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- My posting does not referr to the 108 but when when i read your posting, Manfred, I immediatly remembered a situation that happenend a few weeks ago so I want to share it . In august my girlfriend and I spent our holidays in Sweden. We did some gifting there but we also spent some days with fishing, campfire ect.. One evening we came back from the lake with our canoe because there were dark clouds on the sky. We left the canoe down by the lake and went a small way up to our cottage. Only a few steps before we reached the cottage there was a small wooden electricity pylon(maybe 7m high). When we were walking directly near that pylon I looked up and in that moment I saw a lightning flash on the top of the pylon immediately followed by an enormous clap of thunder. Everything was turned into blue light. Anna saw everything in pink light. We had big luck to be still alive, I think ... and it had been the only lightning in the environment of our house on that evening. When the lighting stroke we had a big Orgonite ( 5 kg) in our canoe (that we used as an anchor) about 100 m down by the lake and a HHG in the cottage . We both wore the harmonic protector. (we wear the HP's day and night since the day we had got them). When I read your article , Manfred, I remembered that occurence and I thought that possibly the lightning had been an attack... :oops: .... Moritz ----------------------------------- Don Croft Mon 07 Sep, 2009 03:41 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Good thread, guys. I suspect that many variations and combinations of hexagram arrangements of orgonite pieces may produce the same or similar results and maybe even putting a bit of orgonite on each line intersection of a Flower of Life would do the same. I keep coming back to the notion that Kelly's initial idea to put six TBs on a stubborn corrupted energy line to break the cycle is what led to all this. I love what a 108 arrangement has done for our business and the psychics are getting good impressions of theirs. I hope we can all eventually get to the point where we won't fear orgonite at all. The only folks who have cause to fear it are predators and parasites, after all. Kelly's pushing a '114' arrangement and I encouraged him when he was here, to submit it as an enquiry on Manfred's forum, where I think anything will get a very fair and impartial hearing. The benefit of a science forum is that the personality and charisma aspects that attach to a device or name are filtered out in the experiments. What we do, here, is more subjective and I hope that most of us are mainly concerned about clearly identifying the purpose and efficiency of any new invention as dispassionately as possible, the way we'd buy a car or choose a mate. If we present the 114 in a conflicting way, here, it will just confuse our readers and cause our enemies to gloat. We're only starting to figure out the parameters of the 108, after all. CArol and I, David Rogers and a few others have made and deployed quite a few 19s in the environment but I don't think we ever got as clear an impression of what that does as some of us have gotten in a dramatic and immediate way with the 108. I hope we can avoid silly conflicts based on personal preferences. Most of the inventions I've promoted, here, were developed by others so I don't have an axe to grind, that way. I could mention that the fact that some folks became afraid and dismantled their 108s is even an indicator that it has real power. I remember the early days of orgonite cloudbusters when some folks became terrified by the effects and dismantled theirs. I don't think that's happened in a long time. I used the pattern for the 108 that Cesco had given me last year, after his visit. If I had more zeal I'd make a 114 pattern and start experimenting with that but I'm personally content with the 108. Maybe I'll do a Flower of LIfe pattern. Wouldn't it be funny if we were the first people to actually see some benefit from this pattern after mouth-breathing newagers have been practically worshipping it for a couple of decades without having any real understanding of its use? ;) Remembering the almost evangelical way that the 'underground cloudbuster' was promoted awhile back I've got my fingers crossed, hoping we won't get mired down with a similar blind promotion of the 108 or any of these other hexagram arrangements. So far, so good though. My fingers are crossed because I don't relish spending hours and hours on damage control on account of the confusion/charisma element rearing it's ugly head, again. None of the inventions that Carol and I have shared have been promoted blindly, I'm happy to say, but maybe this is on account of our thoroughness and also our efforts to get unbiased feedback from other experimentors before making any claims for them. The fact that Carol and I don't have any groupies or sycophants is something we're quite proud of. Reich also knew that sycophants will destroy any progressive undertaking and he was adamant that nobody, certainly including him, will ever have the last word on anything. Someone ought to remind DeMento of that ;) Having said that, we've always valued the substantive contributions of people who are burdened with personal charisma and have encouraged our readers and the EW contributors to avoid blind imitation. It's funny to think of personal charisma as a handicap but I think it usually is in a grassroot movement. The 108 seems to have disabled the radionic effort to erase us from public awareness, in terms of money coming in for our products, but some of the new customers treat us pretty badly, right off the bat--weird problem that started last year and we suspect radionics is the cause of that, too. The 108 hasn't touched that, though I always answer back when a stranger treats me with disrespect ;) and sometimes I post their comments if they tickle me. Charismatic disinformants who sell orgonite rather treat their own customers like whores and usually get away with it 8) so I think federal radionics are supporting those fakers but I think that our customer base are generally more inclined to personal integrity and discernment than the fakers' hypnotized customer base are. The latter vendors are the ones that the search engines favor, as you may have noticed when you started looking for information about orgonite online. It's kind of funny if one can step back and look at it dispassionately. ~Don ----------------------------------- Don Croft Mon 07 Sep, 2009 15:25 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- The 'Last Word' issue has been a real bugger. I like to draw your attention to our very capable psychic associates when this rears it's ugly head because all of them seem to instinctively know how to avoid being put into that stifling, arbitrary-authority position by a few vocal sycophants. I encourage blind imitators to rather rely more on their own intuitive processes than to just trumpet the claims of others. All of us have intuition and all of us are capable of discernment and independent thought, after all. Real progress comes from letting our egos and desires take the backseat and to focus most of our attention on the quieter promptings. When we get into that wonderful state we're then capable of networking smoothly and productively. I get feedack from readers who appreciate this encouraging feature in the postings on Etheric Warriors. They also appreciate the diversity of our membership, by the way. The reputable psychics in our chat sessions are also eager to experiment with new devices and combinations, so I'm hoping that the talented inventors in this unorganized effort who seem so eager to have the last word will feel more inclined to put their egos in the passenger seat and focus mainly on their quieter promptings, as our psychics do together. It's a powerful process and a lot of fun, too. They are Carol, Dooney, Stevo, Francie and Axel, by the way. People don't trumpet their names because they don't seek a following, so I plug them as often as I can. They're making history, after all, and most of the really important stuff in history has no fanfare to accompany it. There will no doubt be more reputable psychics networking together as the years pass and there will hopefully be other English-language forum efforts that feature reputable psychics because it seems likely to me that the potential is there. Most psychics and energy sensitives can't or won't set their egos aside but that just shows us that psychism is not a sign of spiritual advancement but is rather a gift, like music or sculpture. The new approach to science seems to be dependent on the observations of psychics, though, at least until someone develops reliable technology that can see and evaluate subtle energy dynamics. Meanwhile I feel both obligated and almost obsessed with ensuring that blind imitation won't bulldoze this forum off into the sidelines. I want Etheric Warriors to remain an English language orgonite forum that genuinely inspires and empowers our readers and adequately represents the specific accomplishments of this huge, historic effort for the record. Speaking of the record: one of our French contributors is contriving to set up a pretty impressive timelapse photography process. Dr Reich used to record some of his cloudbuster effects, that way, and it's high time that we, too, start filling up the record with similar presentations. They're good empirical evidence and very beautiful and inspiring. I think it's the best way to understand weather dynamics, too. The social parameters for success of a progressive movement are narrowing, now, so I think we're seeing less and less room for personal aggrandizement. I personally think it's a positive sign; an indication of the growing necessity for personal integrity as human awareness and responsibility continues to expand. ~Don ----------------------------------- dooney Tue 08 Sep, 2009 01:23 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- I wanted to post about our experience with the 108 to add to the general knowledge. Don graciously brought us a 108 in July and we immediately set it up in our pasture, right in the middle of the labyrinth I had just finished constructing. Within a week we noticed that Stevo's business had started increasing. His biz has been slow all year, so it was a pretty dramatic change. We also noticed a lot of sylphs in the sky, which is actually not unusual for us. Within a few weeks, we heard about Carolien's problems with her 108 and we perceived that her 108 was being attacked (confirmed by Francie's observations). We did not experience a similar attack and Don speculated that the labyrinth was somehow protecting the 108. On July 12th, a forest fire ingnited three miles from our home. It wasn't really a concern until it began to move in our direction around the end of August. Don and Carol were visiting with Chuck and his wife Joan, and Carol and I glued the 108 pieces to the board, and Stevo set it up against a tree in the pasture, pointing toward the fire. That night before going to sleep I checked in with the energy of the 108, and I could feel it working on a giant fire elemental that was hovering over the mountains where the forest fire was burning. The 108 really calmed down this elemental, and shrank him to normal size. The fire continued to rage, as we had wind and hot weather, and the next weekend we asked the chat group to boost for us. They worked on our fire both Saturday and Sunday, and Sunday night we received about 1/2 inch of rain. I also pointed our 10-foot CB at the fire. By the next day, the fire was so much diminished that we couldn't see smoke from our house. Even a few days later when the wind picked up, the fire did not blow up big again, and it now appears to be out. I don't know if the 108 is completely responsible for this dramatic change in the fire situation, but I know it helped. The group boosting was the final push the whole situation needed - thanks chatters! And I believe the 108 is totally responsible for the shift in Stevo's business. When they try to slow down his business, they typically use an energetic dome over our house and property to make him invisible to patients. Since putting up the 108 they have not been able to create the dome. What we found in the chat the other day when looking at Dan's 108 problem is that the angry elemental on his property was not allowing the energy to penetrate into the earth. I hope that Dan will reassemble his 108 and let us know the results. It seems the 108 is very attuned to the energy of the person who is using it, and to the conditions of the earth energy where it is being placed. In some ways, it reminds me of Carol's HP, which is a good tool for awakening and bringing about a spiritual change. Dooney ----------------------------------- Moritz Tue 08 Sep, 2009 06:39 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Thank you for sharing your experiences with the 108 Dooney, and also with the elementals. I made some own experiences with elememtals too, some years ago but i did not go further into that matter because at that time I have been involved in the widespread esoteric trash refering to all these things. So I stored these experiences away, hoping I would get more clarity about all the these things some day. Now I got much more clarity. Its a shame, that the the geometry of the "flower of life" came to be known by books from men like Drunvalo M.. When a friend told me about a seminar of Drunvalo in Germany some years ago, where hundreds of people came and many many other wanted to come to that weekend seminar but they got no more vacant seats, then I knew that there must be something fundamentally wrong with that person. (by the way, he made thousands and thousands of $ on two days!) All the better it was for me to read the stuff DB and others wrote about these dark mindcontrolled Newage-Gurus. Thanks a lot at this place. Now I am just making my own 108 and I think, I am gonna feel how it works. Moritz ----------------------------------- Axel Thu 10 Sep, 2009 07:59 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Hi Dan, could you please check your 108 again - the upper left 18 seems to be missing one TB in the inner circle (at least thatīs my impression) thanks! ----------------------------------- Manfred Hotwagner Fri 11 Sep, 2009 16:27 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Kelly has posted his observations on the 108 and the 114 on ethericresearch.com. Here are the observations on the 114 Here are the observations on the 108 ----------------------------------- Don Croft Thu 17 Sep, 2009 16:55 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Here's anotyher good, related thread on ethericresearch.com and thanks, Kelly and Manfred, for pursuing this there! http://www.8ung.at/mhotwagner/researchforum/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=53&sid=82e677fb41d6e5099383b3ac3861a756 The reason I was so eager to see a research forum get going is because ethericwarriors.com is mainly about applications, many of which are sort of 'off the cuff' and based on field intelligence. I think where a lot of people get off track is to believe that just because something is 'powerful' that it has a particular use. Years ago, a fellow we knew cast 30 gallons of orgonite in a tub. It really didn't do much, as far as we could tell, but it was 'powerful.' How much better would it have been if the fellow had made 1500 towerbusters with that resin and distributed it to needful targets, instead? Simple reason shows us that orgone is no differnt from fire, air and water this way, also that each device is potentially a tool that performs pretty specific tasks. One doesn't put earthpipes into the ground to prevent violent weather, for instance, the same way that one doesn't use a screw driver to pound a nail. In the past, whenever a reputable or even a disreputable but popular energy sensitive has proclaimed that something is powerful there was a rush by noisy sycophants to imitate the effort without intelligence or purpose. This endorphin-squirting cacaphony is a distraction, of course. Reason and creativity have much softer voices but they get things done. I know a fellow who has several cloudbusters and each one is so loaded down with questionable doodads that I suspect they're working at 50% capacity. Not every combination of tools produces a desired result, for instance. Sure, you can keep your boots in the refrigerator but that's not what the refrigerator was designed to do. There are certainly many ways to acquire knowledge and experience and some of us have a pretty good track record for inspired applications of new devices but we're not ever in a position to immediately recommend them, with certainty, to people where the conditions may be different. One develops a feel for this through experience but one person's perception and recommendations can't be considered authoritative, so that's why we do a lot of field research, over time,. to test new devices thoroughly enough to make an intelligent recommendation. One of the strong points of ethericresearch.com is that there are reputable energy sensitives, including Kelly and Manfred, who are applying their science training with their intuitive skills to identify characteristics of new inventions., even to watch for unknown characteristics of orgone. Manfred has produced evidence that orgone has a nutritive quality, for instance. I think that's a brand new discovery. If Nobel Prizes weren't so often awarded to scoundrels I'd recommend one for Manfred ;) Every device has a positive and negative aspect, by the way, just as there are positive and negative poles on a magnet. There's an exchange point on the orgonite cloudbuster, for instance, where nasty energy is transformed to healthy energy. All orgonite devices are hamrless, though. If someone gets spooked by powerful orgone from one or another device then that person might do well to look at his/her resistance to new energy as the cause of discomfort. I'm really hoping that Manfred's forum will help us dispel superstitious reactions to new energy configurations. These fellows' science training didn't provide a foundation for understanding subtle energy dynamics, of course, but the training does instill some mental discipline and analytic skills, so it's sure not wasted on someone who has an open mind. Meanwhuile, lest we forget, EW is oriented toward warfare, which is one way of saying that we work to cure the world's afflictions. Nature didn't cause these problems; men did so of course we are opposing the efforts of the old corporate world order directly when we turn their multi-trillion dollar weaponry into life force generators with simple orgonite 8) Orgonite's healing influence just goes on and on, after that of course. ~Don ----------------------------------- Don Croft Fri 18 Sep, 2009 00:31 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- I still think we need to get past the 'this feels good; that feels bad' assessment method, by the way. It's good data as part of an enquiry but it's just not conclusive because it's too subjective. If we allow that to be the standard, then we'll also have to allow someone to persuade us that specific colors are bad or that peanut butter tastes better than spaghetti. If this seems abstruse to you then I probably have a long way to go to explain what seems like a simple, obvious truth. Example: some of us are envigorated and empowered by the 108 and some are terrified by it. Fortunately, nobody is recommending it as essential or condemning it. I want our readers and contributors to do what feels right, as always. ~Don ----------------------------------- David R Fri 18 Sep, 2009 03:40 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Here are pictures of 2 108s. The second one is a mini. can't really point to any specific result, but it does feel like there has been a change for the better in the energy here. could be a combination of all the different devices around working together. So this is just a test project, not to say any specific judgement. i go by my intuition and haven't see qi yet to the best of my knowledge. maybe it's best to just look at these pictures as art. it's a harmonization project the way i look at it. terms like war, hangrenade, and even buster bring feelings of violence, so to me it is preferable to use more positive terms. for example, the term harmonizer. http//farm3.static.flickr.com/2519/3930054689_cb1e58fa55.jpg http//farm4.static.flickr.com/3529/3930837498_ab2795580d.jpg mini 108 has 1" diameter orgone pieces that are 15 ml in volume compared to a mini muffin orgone piece that is about 32ml in volume (just over 1 fluid ounce) . the mini 108 is 20" , and the pieces are about half a cm apart at the closest. Also they are glued to a slightly domed backing that i had a hunch about. the other 108 is 37" in diameter and uses mini muffins which are spaced about a half inch apart at the closest. The drawings are scaled proportionally so they should both have equidistant spacing between the orgone pieces. after reading Laozu's report i now understand that the 18, the 108, and even the pipes on a Croft device are based on this idea of equidistance. this seems to mean the center of each muffin or whatever is the same distance from the next muffin and from the center of the circle that the 6 muffins create. strangely placing each muffin at the point of a symmetrical 6 pointed star creates this equidistance. Equidistance is what all that business with the compass is about and the basis of the patterns. i just used a vector drawing program, re-drew the jpg on Cesco's site, then cut a sticker template, so i never really understood this concept of equidistance as being the main factor. it dawned on me that 18x6 is 108 so 6 equidistant 18s also make a 108 if none of the 18's share any of the neighboring points. i have a 24" plotter so i can make a drawing or a vinyl sticker of this design (in sections like the 37") and just re-arrange the parts of the normal 108 since that one isn't stuck down yet. you know, to see if it makes a difference. Looking at a thumbnail of the drawing i see that there is a circle of six equidistant muffins created by by each neighboring 18. i can post the any of the vector drawings somewhere if anyone wants to work with them, or use as is. They are drawn by eye and not technical drawings, but you get pretty close with a computer. Just posting some thoughts and photos. thanks for reading. Comments welcome. ammaui at shaka dot com http//farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3930054597_b0bfa4dfa5.jpg nearby clouds http//farm3.static.flickr.com/2467/3930054989_33bdd48177.jpg ----------------------------------- Don Croft Mon 21 Sep, 2009 22:26 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- I got the following from another Dave (my comments follow): Hi Don: I was reading EW and saw the drawings of the 108 and 114 that Edostar posted. Since they are hexagonal in nature, and since one of my hobbies is Sacred Geometry, I decided to see how they would fit on the Flower of Life. Lo and behold! Here, also, is a plain Flower as .pdf, for whatever (two flavors). Since it's a pdf it can be scaled as needed. I drew this one so feel free to pass it on. Feel free to post these on EW for the general edification and study! Regards Dave ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I felt gratified to see that both patterns fit right onto the Flower of Life; the 108 covers all points except the outer 8 and the 114 fills all points except six around the middle hex arrangement. There are additional TBs in each that don 't correspond to the line junctions but when I look at it I get the feeling that both are related to the flower of life pattern. I think both designs are inspired but we're just starting to turn the page on what to do with any of this. I like the way the enquiry is progressing, at least. I particularly like the way that we're all pooling our observations with the purpose of finding some working parameters, as we've done and are still doing with the other useful devices in our aresenal. I hope someone will soon provide some impressions of the workings of the 114 and maybe a comparison between that and the 108. I wasn't able to post the fine diagrams that DAve sent me. I can send them around in attachments, though, so will do that. ~Don ----------------------------------- Andrea Fri 25 Sep, 2009 02:14 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- I'm not good at drawing precise geometric patterns, even in the computer. So I downloaded a Flower of Life vector image from the web, changed its colors in Corel Draw and ordered a 150cm x 150 cm print. I asked for recycled pvc sheet that works fine with plain colors and is a lot cheaper than other options, it only cost me about 30 dollars at a local printer shop. The good thing about using the Flower of Life as a template is I can switch it to a 114 just by adding a few tb's and rearranging them if some day I feel I should try its energy. The pvc sheet can't carry the weight of the tb's to hang it to the wall so I didn't glue them. I've added some amethysts and rose quartz to the 2oz tb's, using some silicon muffin molds I bought last year when I was starting making orgonite. I was disappointed at the time when I measured the liquid and found they were too small, but they ended up being useful. It's been up for one day, but I could feel the good energy working when I finished it yesterday. It was terrific! Even the template alone felt good and refreshing when I opened it and laid it on the ground. I had an intuition I needed to place an 108 on the ground, as close as possible to earth. It is taking a big portion of the floor in my bedroom, I'll need to rearrange it now and then for cleaning purposes. What I don't think is a bad thing, as moving orgonite from time to time refreshes its energy ;-) I decided to experiment with 18 and 108 because I know I should use every kind of protection I know of that is within my reach. This one felt a lot more powerful than the first improvised one I made one month ago, with field orgonite and cut up strips of newspaper sheets as guidelines, at an almost unused room at the second floor. Although I like the idea of cutting up mainstream media lies and using them for orgonite purposes ;-) I posted about my first 108 at the Sao Paulo thread http//www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?t=1891 I'll need to dismantle it eventually, as it's gathering dust and I'll need to clean the floor someday ;-) The tb's will find good homes near towers ;-) I loved the energy and feel of my latest 108. Obviously what I'm telling you is very subjective, I just want to share. Andrea http//farm3.static.flickr.com/2572/3951512461_f5c57ae664.jpg ----------------------------------- Braikar Sun 27 Sep, 2009 01:11 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- All these pictures of 108 or 114 are beautiful. D This made me think of mixing a 108 above a 114 to see what it gives. Because I remembered from some esoteric books I read that the flower of life represented both the magnetic and electric (the 7 separated circles and the 7 intersecting circles) aspects of our reality, so by intuition I thought the 108 might represent one (either magnetic of electric) and the 114 the other. It gives the 246?? cool number, I will try to make one as soon as I have 250 TB at hand. It's not perfect oops It's almost impossible to draw perfect circles on a computer http//storage.all4orgone.com/images/sacred_geometry/small/108-114f.jpg The yellow dots are where the 108 and 114 intersect or overlapse. the blue belong to the 114 only, red to the 108 only and green also belong only to the 108 or 114. I wonder if it is just useless or if it might have special properties? Interestingly 246 is 2*123=2*3*41= 2*3*(2 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 11 + 13) which is 6 times the sum of the 6 first prime numbers?? ----------------------------------- Azti Tue 29 Sep, 2009 18:47 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- I wonder what would happen if we constructed a 108 and a 114, each consisting of very solidly, and precisely, mounted orgonite elements mounted on a circle/cylinder of something more precise, and rotationally balanced, than plywood with both mounted on a hub with bearings, and then spun them at identical speeds in opposite directions? Consider a male (electric, or is it magnetic?) spiral (clockwise, or is it anti-clockwise?) and female (magnetic, or is it electric?) spiral (anti-clockwise, or is it clockwise?) rotation of a 114 (magnetic or electric?) or 108 (magnetic or electric?)? Testing at various rotational frequencies, in either directions, that have a mathematical correlation to the sacred geometry of the 108 and 114? The second I saw your post this came to mind.... Intuition... PS: I almost didn't post this... ----------------------------------- Hong Kong John Tue 29 Sep, 2009 22:54 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Glad you had the courage to share this. i got strong confirmation that you're on to something with substance. hkj ----------------------------------- David R Wed 30 Sep, 2009 07:51 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Braikar, i have no idea how you arrived at that drawing by mixing a 114 and a 108 because 246 is a greater number than 114+108. it sure is beautiful though. i started to draw one myself to try and understand it, but my mind wandered and a 24 came out instead. The equidistant muffins in circles could be expanded out many more times, but i stopped at 24. btw, a computer should make a perfect circle every time. just hold down the shift key as you drag the ellipse tool, or to make a perfect 6 pointed star hold down shift as you drag the star tool after you choose 6 as the number of sides. now to really digress...According to researcher Jordan Maxwell the so-called star of David is really a Phoenician symbol for Saturn. He claims wedding ring and ear ring refer to the rings of Saturn in Phoenician times. Further he claims that Judaism is from the 4th or 5th century. Solomon is a composite name comprised of sol om on for example. the yam-aka is Roman head gear(the Pope wears one), and they created Judaism( better check all that for yourself)..... so anyway the points of the star of Saturn have the equidistant characteristic, and stacking up ever larger stars gives a series of rings or circles of orgone muffins. i don't know how Cesco decided on 3 sets of 6 muffins for an 18. here is a drawing of 4 sets, or a 24. you could expand it out like the 18 was to 108/114, but you would get a bigger number maybe 144. 108, 114, 144, 246 are all big numbers of muffins to make so i am hoping 24 will also do a good job. just a bucket full of muffins, earthpipes, or similar divices at a time distributed around land or water do wonders, and is prolly good enough. it's kind of fun to make special devices to see how far we can take it though. Maybe counter spinning 108 and 114 would be incredibly beneficial beyond imagination. i think any good orgone device is doing stuff that we don't have the vocabulary to explain or understand. could be that all the gifting and boosting has already saved us from many negative timelines that many people were sure would come to pass. http//farm3.static.flickr.com/2610/3967886517_ef0f3dea01.jpg ----------------------------------- Alejandro Thu 01 Oct, 2009 00:23 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Jordan Maxwell is disinformant. "Jordan Maxwell" is a pseudonim he uses, its not his real name. "The third is Lord Jordan (Jordanus Maximus), the Water of Life. He is the one through whom alone we can be saved; and thus he answers to the Holy Ghost (the feminine principle) and to the Shekinah (veil), or spiritual garment of En-Soph. These three constitute the unrevealed Trinity. " http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/TheNazareneSystem.html Source: Blavatsky.net Doesnīt theosophy just make you dizzy? Jordan Maxwell has stated that he is an admirer of Blavatsky, just do a little research on this guy, his agenda is pretty clear. Alejandro ----------------------------------- David R Fri 02 Oct, 2009 06:00 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Ale, Sorry to have referred to an agent provocateur as a source of info, and to have brought up a non relevant topic in this thread. It's curious that you can use the symmetrical 6 point star to lay out the equidistant muffins of an 18, 108, 114 etc. and then the same star gets created in the center of the pattern by the muffins. As i did a search, one site mentioned that the star did symbolize Saturn, but it has other esoteric meanings as well. So i will just stick with the mathematical beauty, maybe even sacred geometry of the star in question, and forget about the flag of israel and Saturn when viewing it. ----------------------------------- Jeff Fri 02 Oct, 2009 15:25 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- My impression of how magic works is that it can be taken in 'either direction', as it were, black or white. For instance, the left-marching, anti-clockwise rotating, left-hand-path swastika of our National Socialist friends is 'negative', while the clockwise-rotating swastika is positive in intent, in action, in effect. The five pointed star, itself, isn't negative, per se, rather it is the point-down inversion of that star that makes it so. I know that the so-called 'Star of David' (rather the sign or seal of 'good king' Solomon - hah!) is all over the Black Magic grimoire how-to cookbooks - but that just tells me that it's a powerful symbol, being used for ill (from my perspective) in those contexts - rather than the shape itself having some ultimate inherent meaning or 'direction'. I guess that Those of Ill Intent cooked up 'the Enlightenment' to convince everyone that Western Scientific Materialism was all there was - so leaving the field of subtle energy, of the etheric, all to themselves. As I guess that the Salem 'witch trials' were in fact a beat-down on the remaining souls who could/would put up a fight against the black magic practicing closet-Satanists who came over from Europe seeking 'freedom of religion' (true, true!) here in the new world. Not every last Pilgrim, of course, just the lying, deviated top two percent - just like today. The Pennsylvania Germans put six-pointed 'Hex' signs on their barns ('hex' the latin word for 'six', right?)...they used to say to ward off 'the evil eye'. Nowadays, of course, we're told they were 'just for nice' (simple decorations). See how the resistance to the left-hand path is systematically removed from the record? So there's something demonstrably powerful about the six-pointed thing. Just that it can be 'taken in either direction', I think. In terms of information provided by a disinformant - their disinformation must necessarily contain nuggets of real, actual stuff to work - otherwise it would come across as nonsense. The 'limited hangout' has a kernel of compelling truth that takes one in, then once they've got you they can lead you off to the untruth place they wanted to get you to in the first place. So legit information may be gleaned, but you're in their slimy web while gleaning it, and it requires a lot of discernment. ----------------------------------- Braikar Sat 03 Oct, 2009 16:05 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- I totally agree with the fact that magic can be taken either directions. These geometric symbols are just geometry nothing else, based on circles, lines and precise ratios and that's it. Any geometrical shape can be built using these principles. I have a friend who told me something really interesting about these signs and why (it's his opinion, but in my opinion it also makes a lot of sense) they are used in so many logos of companies etc. As we all know every shape is a sort of footprint for generating a particular energy pattern, hence the logos of big companies are always these 'black magic symbols' because they actually represent the footprint of greed, or temptation, not well-being or the opposite compassion, well being etc depending on how they are painted/displayed. Hence the fact that many big companies use such symbols is because they have been around for a very long time and carry specific energies that the makers of the companies know for sure and so they use the most appropriate symbol for whatever company they create. E.g. if it's food they'll use something that symbolises temptation or hunger, or if it's a company about control they'll use a symbol that represents dominance etc. (subconsciously these little or big logos will attract many people with the adequate vibration) Anyway back on the 108, I was moving my stuff from france to UK, so hadn't had time to write until now. Atzi, your idea of spining both on top of each other in different directions is great! I have no idea if it will work or not, but as john says, I think it's really worth trying and I also think like him that it's a big path to follow that must lead to some interesting discovery D And I thought about what you said David, it also seemed strange to me that both together would yield more contact point than 108+114, it should give less than 108+114 accounting that many points of both figures are supperposed! It was a mistake of my part, I did the 108 and 114 with 7x24! not 7x18... that's why hehe, sorry for that big mistake, that's why you had 24's david hehe ... oops So here's the correction, it makes a 168 in fact. 108 http//storage.all4orgone.com/images/sacred_geometry/small/i_108.jpg 114 http//storage.all4orgone.com/images/sacred_geometry/small/i_114.jpg 168 http//storage.all4orgone.com/images/sacred_geometry/small/i_168.jpg ----------------------------------- dooney Mon 05 Oct, 2009 17:01 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Some more 108 observations: Don brought us a Super 108 a few weeks ago to help with our ongoing forest fire. I call it a Super 108 because it's big (6ft. x 6ft.) and he made it with larger orgonite cones that have a coil and crystal point inside. He brought it over because the fire we had thought was out flared up dramatically during a windstorm and we were under an evacuation alert. Don showed up at our house at about 2am and we immediately set up the 108. Before we had even assembled the orgonite and glued it on the boards I was feeling a strong energy. After all the orgonite was in place, it just kept getting stronger and stronger. We stayed up talking with Don for about another hour and each time I checked on the energy of the Super 108 it was stronger. The next day, Stevo and I tilted it up and pointed it at the fire. By this time, there were three big areas of fire, one of which was within a mile of our home. Less than one week later, we got a rainstorm and cold temps that diminished the fire to the point that it is not a worry. In fact, it snowed on the very top of the mountains where the fire is located. All of a sudden, we are now in almost winter temperatures and snow is expected on the ground this week. In the ten years we have lived there, we've never had snow before November 1st. So, I feel the Super 108 changed our weather dramatically, as we had been having 70's and 80's temps just the week before it was set up. The elementals seem to really like the Super 108, and the two 108's on our property seem to be working together now. The other really helpful thing that happened is that Carol pointed out that we had some of those nasty graveling entities on our property (these are the ones that were skulking around their hanger right before Don crashed his airplane). Once Carol brought our attention to this, we were able to get rid of their energy with simple boosting. Both Stevo and I were kind of overwhelmed, so it's been really helpful to have Carol and Don getting into emergency chats with us to resolve this. The weekend chatters also spent a lot of time boosting for us. Thanks Friends! I think it's important for everyone to have their own experience with the 108, or any other orgonite device. We're all in different stages of energetic development and some people are more sensitive than others. I like the idea that we can consult with each other and help each other along, as I have personally experienced how getting information from another psychic, like Carol, has helped me become more aware of the energy around me. I try not to be too invested in being right about something because I realize that everyone has their own experience of the world. Don and Carol have taught me to be more open-minded about stuff and think less in terms of "good" or "bad". It's a challenge to be neutral and I'm not always successful, but I keep trying! It's all just energy in different stages of development, and different people are comfortable with different energy frequencies. I look forward to reading about other people's continuing experiments. Dooney ----------------------------------- Moritz Mon 26 Oct, 2009 10:44 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- my 108 ... it feels good ... http//www.fotos-hochladen.net/108erfo1gcybkat.jpg http//www.fotos-hochladen.net/108001foidhzv9ul.jpg http//www.fotos-hochladen.net/108003fodtw9oc5g.jpg ----------------------------------- Pekka Sat 31 Oct, 2009 06:42 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- I want to advertise at this point using the principle of the 108/114 in gifting cities etc. A few stars of david here and there forming a vast energy grid of POR does make a difference. Would be nice to show the map of Moscow in Russia as inspiration, but may those devices lay where they are-- No need to hunt down all the transmitters. Grid it. We are talking about taking use of advanced strategies, as you who have experimented with 108/114 device understand, and also proved by the effect of cloud buster. That is no small principle. Make use of it. ----------------------------------- Moritz Sat 31 Oct, 2009 08:40 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- Hello John, The 108 showed in the picture is 1,20 m in diameter. I took a normal champangne glass, that I filed up only to the half. You can easily put a pointing up crystal into it. This seems to me very good. I only used may be 20 pointed up crystals, because that were all I had. for the most of the orgonites i used normal quartz pieces. Near the glass there is a normal TB mufffin. http//www.fotos-hochladen.net/108er001fomwyprlu6.jpg ----------------------------------- Gare Wed 27 Feb, 2013 04:13 Re: 108 ----------------------------------- on page 2 of this long thread Dooney said "So, I feel the Super 108 changed our weather dramatically," posting this to confirm that the 2 large 108's WE've built, so far, have also changed northern thailands weather dramatically... cooler and wetter especially at night... working on the 3rd 108 this week glued onto 2 sheets of - 4' x 8' of galvanized put together making a 8' x 8' the first one was 6' x 6' on plywood and the second 8' x 8' on plywood