Here's anotyher good, related thread on ethericresearch.com and thanks, Kelly and Manfred, for pursuing this there!

http://www.8ung.at/mhotwagner/resea...383b3ac3861a756

The reason I was so eager to see a research forum get going is because ethericwarriors.com is mainly about applications, many of which are sort of 'off the cuff' and based on field intelligence.

I think where a lot of people get off track is to believe that just because something is 'powerful' that it has a particular use.  Years ago, a fellow we knew cast 30 gallons of orgonite in a tub.  It really didn't do much, as far as we could tell, but it was 'powerful.'  How much better would it have been if the fellow had made 1500 towerbusters with that resin and distributed it to needful targets, instead?  

Simple reason shows us that orgone is no differnt from fire, air and water this way, also that each device is potentially a tool that performs pretty specific tasks.  One doesn't put earthpipes into the ground to prevent violent weather, for instance, the same way that one doesn't use a screw driver to pound a nail.

In the past, whenever a reputable or even a disreputable but popular energy sensitive has proclaimed that something is powerful there was a rush by noisy sycophants to imitate the effort without intelligence or purpose.  This endorphin-squirting cacaphony is a distraction, of course.  Reason and creativity have much softer voices but they get things done.

I know a fellow who has several cloudbusters and each one is so loaded down with questionable doodads that I suspect they're working at 50% capacity.  Not every combination of tools produces a desired result, for instance.  Sure, you can keep your boots in the refrigerator but that's not what the refrigerator was designed to do.

There are certainly many ways to acquire knowledge and experience and some of us have a pretty good track record for inspired applications of new devices but we're not ever in a position to immediately recommend them, with certainty, to people where the conditions may be different.  One develops a feel for this through experience but one person's perception and recommendations can't be considered authoritative, so that's why we do a lot of field research, over time,. to test new devices thoroughly enough to make an intelligent recommendation.

One of the strong points of ethericresearch.com is that there are reputable energy sensitives, including Kelly and Manfred, who are applying their science training with their intuitive skills to identify characteristics of new inventions., even to watch for unknown characteristics of orgone.  Manfred has produced evidence that orgone has a nutritive quality, for instance. I think that's a brand new discovery. If Nobel Prizes weren't so often awarded to scoundrels I'd recommend one for Manfred

Every device has a positive and negative aspect, by the way, just as there are positive and negative poles on a magnet.

 There's an exchange point on the orgonite cloudbuster, for instance, where nasty energy is transformed to healthy energy.  All orgonite devices are hamrless, though.  If someone gets spooked by powerful orgone from one or another device then that person might do well to look at his/her resistance to new energy as the cause of discomfort.  I'm really hoping that Manfred's forum will help us dispel superstitious reactions to new energy configurations.

These fellows' science training didn't provide a foundation for understanding subtle energy dynamics, of course, but the training does instill some mental discipline and analytic skills, so it's sure not wasted on someone who has an open mind.

Meanwhuile, lest we forget, EW is oriented toward warfare, which is one way of saying that we work to cure the world's afflictions.  Nature didn't cause these problems; men did so of course we are opposing the efforts of the old corporate world order directly when we turn their multi-trillion dollar weaponry into life force generators with simple orgonite

Orgonite's healing influence just goes on and on, after that of course.

~Don
  

I still think we need to get past the 'this feels good; that feels bad' assessment method, by the way.   It's good data as part of an enquiry but  it's just not conclusive because it's too subjective.

If we allow that to be the standard, then we'll also have to allow someone to persuade us that specific colors are bad or that peanut butter tastes better than spaghetti.

If this seems abstruse to you then I probably have a long way to go to explain what seems like a simple, obvious truth.

Example: some of us are envigorated and empowered by the 108 and some are terrified by it.  Fortunately, nobody is recommending it as essential or condemning it.   I want our readers and contributors to do what feels right, as always.

~Don
  

Here are pictures of 2 108s.  The second one is a mini.
can't really point to any specific result, but it does feel like there has been a change for the better in the energy here.  could be a combination of all the different devices around working together.  So this is just a test project, not to say any specific judgement.  i go by my intuition and haven't see qi yet to the best of my knowledge.  maybe it's best to just look at these pictures as art.   it's a harmonization project the way i look at it.  terms like war, hangrenade, and even buster bring feelings of violence, so to me it is preferable to use more positive terms.  for example, the term harmonizer.





mini 108 has 1" diameter orgone pieces that are 15 ml in volume compared to a mini muffin orgone piece that is about 32ml in volume (just over 1 fluid ounce) .
the mini 108 is 20" , and the pieces are about half a cm apart at the closest.  Also they are glued to a slightly domed backing that i had a hunch about.
the other 108 is 37" in diameter and uses mini muffins which are spaced about a half inch apart at the closest.  The drawings are scaled proportionally so they should both have equidistant spacing between the orgone pieces.
after reading Laozu's report i now understand that the 18, the 108, and even the pipes on a Croft device are based on this idea of equidistance.  this seems to mean the center of each muffin or whatever is the same distance from the next muffin and from the center of the circle that the 6 muffins create.
strangely placing each muffin at the point of a symmetrical 6 pointed star creates this equidistance.  Equidistance is what all that business with the compass is about and the basis of the patterns.  i just used a vector drawing program, re-drew the jpg on Cesco's site, then cut a sticker template, so i never really understood this concept of equidistance as being the main factor.  

it dawned on me that 18x6 is 108 so 6 equidistant 18s also make a 108 if none of the 18's share any of the neighboring points.   i have a 24" plotter so i can make a drawing or a vinyl sticker of this design (in sections like the 37") and just re-arrange the parts of the normal 108 since that one isn't stuck down yet.  you know, to see if it makes a difference.  Looking at a thumbnail of the drawing i see that there is a circle of six equidistant muffins created by by each neighboring 18.
i can post the any of the vector drawings somewhere if anyone wants to work with them, or use as is.  They are drawn by eye and not technical drawings, but you get pretty close with a computer.   Just posting some thoughts and photos.  thanks for reading. Comments welcome.   ammaui at shaka dot com



nearby clouds

  

I got the following from another Dave (my comments follow):


    Hi Don:

    I was reading EW and saw the drawings of the 108 and 114 that Edostar posted.  Since they are hexagonal in nature, and since one of my hobbies is Sacred Geometry, I decided to see how they would fit on the Flower of Life.  Lo and behold!




    Here, also, is a plain Flower as .pdf, for whatever (two flavors).  Since it's a pdf it can be scaled as needed.  I drew this one so feel free to pass it on.

    Feel free to post these on EW for the general edification and study!

    Regards

    Dave


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I felt gratified to see that both patterns fit right onto the Flower of Life; the 108 covers all points except the outer 8 and the 114 fills all points except six around the middle hex arrangement.  There are additional TBs in each that don 't correspond to the line junctions but when I look at it I get the feeling that both are related to the flower of life pattern.

I think both designs are inspired but we're just starting to turn the page on what to do with any of this.

I like the way the enquiry is progressing, at least.  I particularly like the way that we're all pooling our observations with the purpose of finding some working parameters, as we've done and are still doing with the other useful devices in our aresenal.  I hope someone will soon provide some impressions of the workings of the 114 and maybe a comparison between that and the 108.

I wasn't able to post the fine diagrams that DAve sent me. I can send them around in attachments, though, so will do that.

~Don
  

I'm not good at drawing precise geometric patterns, even in the computer. So I downloaded a Flower of Life vector image from the web, changed its colors in Corel Draw and ordered a 150cm x 150 cm print. I asked for recycled pvc sheet that works fine with plain colors and is a lot cheaper than other options, it only cost me about 30 dollars at a local printer shop.  The good thing about using the Flower of Life as a template is I can switch it to a 114 just by adding a few tb's and rearranging them if some day I feel I should try its energy. The pvc sheet can't carry the weight of the tb's to hang it to the wall so I didn't glue them. I've added some amethysts and rose quartz to the 2oz tb's, using some silicon muffin molds I bought last year when I was starting making orgonite. I was disappointed at the time when I measured the liquid and found they were too small, but they ended up being useful.

It's been up for one day, but I could feel the good energy working when I finished it yesterday. It was terrific! Even the template alone felt good and refreshing when I opened it and laid it on the ground. I had an intuition I needed to place an 108 on the ground, as close as possible to earth. It is taking a big portion of the floor in my bedroom, I'll need to rearrange it now and then for cleaning purposes. What I don't think is a bad thing, as moving orgonite from time to time refreshes its energy

I decided to experiment with 18 and 108 because I know I should use every kind of protection I know of that is within my reach. This one felt a lot more powerful than the first improvised one I made one month ago, with field orgonite and cut up strips of newspaper sheets as guidelines, at an almost unused room at the second floor. Although I like the idea of cutting up mainstream media lies and using them for orgonite purposes I posted about my first 108 at the Sao Paulo thread : http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?t=1891  I'll need to dismantle it eventually, as it's gathering dust and I'll need to clean the floor someday   The tb's will find good homes near towers

I loved the energy and feel of my latest 108. Obviously what I'm telling you is very subjective, I just want to share.

Andrea


  

All these pictures of 108 or 114 are beautiful.  

This made me think of mixing a 108 above a 114 to see what it gives.
Because I remembered from some esoteric books I read that the flower of life represented both the magnetic and electric (the 7 separated circles and the 7 intersecting circles) aspects of our reality, so by intuition I thought the 108 might represent one (either magnetic of electric) and the 114 the other.

It gives the 246?? cool number, I will try to make one as soon as I have 250 TB at hand.

It's not perfect   It's almost impossible to draw perfect circles on a computer


The yellow dots are where the 108 and 114 intersect or overlapse. the blue belong to the 114 only, red to the 108 only and green also belong only to the 108 or 114.
I wonder if it is just useless or if it might have special properties?

Interestingly 246 is 2*123=2*3*41= 2*3*(2 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 11 + 13) which is 6 times the sum of the 6 first prime numbers??
  




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"Someday, after we have mastered the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we will harness for God the energies of love and then, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire!" Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I wonder what would happen if we constructed a 108 and a 114, each consisting of very solidly, and precisely, mounted orgonite elements mounted on a circle/cylinder of something more precise, and rotationally balanced, than plywood with both mounted on a hub with bearings, and then spun them at identical speeds in opposite directions?

Consider a male (electric, or is it magnetic?) spiral (clockwise, or is it anti-clockwise?) and female (magnetic, or is it electric?) spiral (anti-clockwise, or is it clockwise?) rotation of a 114 (magnetic or electric?) or 108 (magnetic or electric?)? Testing at various rotational frequencies, in either directions, that have a mathematical correlation to the sacred geometry of the 108 and 114?

The second I saw your post this came to mind.... Intuition...

PS: I almost didn't post this...
  

Glad you had the courage to share this.  i got strong confirmation that you're on to something with substance.

hkj
  

Braikar, i have no idea how you arrived at that drawing by mixing a 114 and a 108 because 246 is a greater number than 114+108.  it sure is beautiful though.
i started to draw one myself to try and understand it, but my mind wandered and a 24 came out instead.  The equidistant muffins in circles could be expanded out many more times, but i stopped at 24.  
btw, a computer should make a perfect circle every time.  just hold down the shift key as you drag the ellipse tool, or to make a perfect 6 pointed star hold down shift as you drag the star tool after you choose 6 as the number of sides.

now to really digress...According to researcher Jordan Maxwell the so-called star of David is really a Phoenician symbol for Saturn.  He claims wedding ring and ear ring refer to the rings of Saturn in Phoenician times.  Further he claims that Judaism is from the 4th or 5th century.  Solomon is a composite name comprised of  sol om on for example.  the yam-aka is Roman head gear(the Pope wears one), and they created Judaism( better check all that for yourself).....
so anyway the points of the star of Saturn have the equidistant characteristic, and stacking up ever larger stars gives a series of rings or circles of orgone muffins.  i don't know how Cesco decided on 3 sets of 6 muffins for an 18.  here is a drawing of 4 sets, or a 24.  you could expand it out like the 18 was to 108/114, but you would get a bigger number maybe 144.
108, 114, 144, 246 are all big numbers of muffins to make so i am hoping 24 will also do a good job.  just a bucket full of muffins, earthpipes, or similar divices at a time distributed around land or water do wonders, and is prolly good enough.  it's kind of fun to make special devices to see how far we can take it though.  Maybe counter spinning 108 and 114 would be incredibly beneficial beyond imagination.
i think any good orgone device is doing stuff that we don't have the vocabulary to explain or understand.  could be that all the gifting and boosting has already saved us from many negative timelines that many people were sure would come to pass.


  

Jordan Maxwell is disinformant. "Jordan Maxwell" is a pseudonim he uses, its not his real name.

"The third is Lord Jordan (Jordanus Maximus), the Water of Life. He is the one through whom alone we can be saved; and thus he answers to the Holy Ghost (the feminine principle) and to the Shekinah (veil), or spiritual garment of En-Soph. These three constitute the unrevealed Trinity. "  http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/t...reneSystem.html  Source: Blavatsky.net  Doesn´t theosophy just make you dizzy?  Jordan Maxwell has stated that he is an admirer of Blavatsky, just do a little research on this guy, his agenda is pretty clear.  

Alejandro
  

Ale, Sorry to have referred to an agent provocateur as a source of info, and to have brought up a non relevant topic in this thread.
It's curious that you can use the symmetrical 6 point star to lay out the equidistant muffins of an 18, 108, 114 etc. and then the same star gets created in the center of the pattern by the muffins.  As i did a search, one site mentioned that the star did symbolize Saturn, but it has other esoteric meanings as well.  So i will just stick with the mathematical beauty, maybe even sacred geometry of the star in question, and forget about the flag of israel and Saturn when viewing it.
  

My impression of how magic works is that it can be taken in 'either direction', as it were, black or white. For instance, the left-marching, anti-clockwise rotating, left-hand-path swastika of our National Socialist friends is 'negative', while the clockwise-rotating swastika is positive in intent, in action, in effect. The five pointed star, itself, isn't negative, per se, rather it is the point-down inversion of that star that makes it so.

I know that the so-called 'Star of David' (rather the sign or seal of 'good king' Solomon - hah!) is all over the Black Magic grimoire how-to cookbooks - but that just tells me that it's a powerful symbol, being used for ill (from my perspective) in those contexts - rather than the shape itself having some ultimate inherent meaning or 'direction'.

I guess that Those of Ill Intent cooked up 'the Enlightenment' to convince everyone that Western Scientific Materialism was all there was - so leaving the field of subtle energy, of the etheric, all to themselves. As I guess that the Salem 'witch trials' were in fact a beat-down on the remaining souls who could/would put up a fight against the black magic practicing closet-Satanists who came over from Europe seeking 'freedom of religion' (true, true!) here in the new world. Not every last Pilgrim, of course, just the lying, deviated top two percent - just like today.

The Pennsylvania Germans put six-pointed 'Hex' signs on their barns ('hex' the latin word for 'six', right?)...they used to say to ward off 'the evil eye'. Nowadays, of course, we're told they were 'just for nice' (simple decorations). See how the resistance to the left-hand path is systematically removed from the record? So there's something demonstrably powerful about the six-pointed thing. Just that it can be 'taken in either direction', I think.

In terms of information provided by a disinformant - their disinformation must necessarily contain nuggets of real, actual stuff to work - otherwise it would come across as nonsense. The 'limited hangout' has a kernel of compelling truth that takes one in, then once they've got you they can lead you off to the untruth place they wanted to get you to in the first place. So legit information may be gleaned, but you're in their slimy web while gleaning it, and it requires a lot of discernment.
  

I totally agree with the fact that magic can be taken either directions. These geometric symbols are just geometry nothing else, based on circles, lines and precise ratios and that's it. Any geometrical shape can be built using these principles.

I have a friend who told me something really interesting about these signs and why (it's his opinion, but in my opinion it also makes a lot of sense) they are used in so many logos of companies etc. As we all know every shape is a sort of footprint for generating a particular energy pattern, hence the logos of big companies are always these 'black magic symbols' because they actually represent the footprint of greed, or temptation, not well-being or the opposite compassion, well being etc depending on how they are painted/displayed. Hence the fact that many big companies use such symbols is because they have been around for a very long time and carry specific energies that the makers of the companies know for sure and so they use the most appropriate symbol for whatever company they create. E.g. if it's food they'll use something that symbolises temptation or hunger, or if it's a company about control they'll use a symbol that represents dominance etc. (subconsciously these little or big logos will attract many people with the adequate vibration)

Anyway back on the 108, I was moving my stuff from france to UK, so hadn't had time to write until now.
Atzi, your idea of spining both on top of each other in different directions is great! I have no idea if it will work or not, but as john says, I think it's really worth trying and I also think like him that it's a big path to follow that must lead to some interesting discovery

And I thought about what you said David, it also seemed strange to me that both together would yield more contact point than 108+114, it should give less than 108+114 accounting that many points of both figures are supperposed!
It was a mistake of my part, I did the 108 and 114 with 7x24! not 7x18... that's why hehe, sorry for that big mistake, that's why you had 24's david hehe ...  

So here's the correction, it makes a 168 in fact.
108


114


168

  




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"Someday, after we have mastered the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we will harness for God the energies of love and then, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire!" Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Some more 108 observations:

Don brought us a Super 108 a few weeks ago to help with our ongoing forest fire. I call it a Super 108 because it's big (6ft. x 6ft.) and he made it with larger orgonite cones that have a coil and crystal point inside. He brought it over because the fire we had thought was out flared up dramatically during a windstorm and we were under an evacuation alert. Don showed up at our house at about 2am and we immediately set up the 108. Before we had even assembled the orgonite and glued it on the boards I was feeling a strong energy. After all the orgonite was in place, it just kept getting stronger and stronger. We stayed up talking with Don for about another hour and each time I checked on the energy of the Super 108 it was stronger. The next day, Stevo and I tilted it up and pointed it at the fire. By this time, there were three big areas of fire, one of which was within a mile of our home. Less than one week later, we got a rainstorm and cold temps that diminished the fire to the point that it is not a worry. In fact, it snowed on the very top of the mountains where the fire is located. All of a sudden, we are now in almost winter temperatures and snow is expected on the ground this week. In the ten years we have lived there, we've never had snow before November 1st.

So, I feel the Super 108 changed our weather dramatically, as we had been having 70's and 80's temps just the week before it was set up. The elementals seem to really like the Super 108, and the two 108's on our property seem to be working together now. The other really helpful thing that happened is that Carol pointed out that we had some of those nasty graveling entities on our property (these are the ones that were skulking around their hanger right before Don crashed his airplane). Once Carol brought our attention to this, we were able to get rid of their energy with simple boosting. Both Stevo and I were kind of overwhelmed, so it's been really helpful to have Carol and Don getting into emergency chats with us to resolve this. The weekend chatters also spent a lot of time boosting for us. Thanks Friends!

I think it's important for everyone to have their own experience with the 108, or any other orgonite device. We're all in different stages of energetic development and some people are more sensitive than others. I like the idea that we can consult with each other and help each other along, as I have personally experienced how getting information from another psychic, like Carol, has helped me become more aware of the energy around me. I try not to be too invested in being right about something because I realize that everyone has their own experience of the world. Don and Carol have taught me to be more open-minded about stuff and think less in terms of "good" or "bad".  It's a challenge to be neutral and I'm not always successful, but I keep trying! It's all just energy in different stages of development, and different  people are comfortable with different energy frequencies.

I look forward to reading about other people's continuing experiments.

Dooney
  

my 108 ...  it feels good ...