Yw Joel..  yes without a doubt it is a no brainer!  let's see... refinance at wut 5%?  silver has gone up near 150% in just the last 6 mnths alone!!  and it hasn't even exploded yet!  right now it is only going up $1 or more a day...   soon it will start going up $5 a day, then $10 a day etc...  silver is going to the moon and far beyond  Max so do wut ever You have to ...  so get physical now!

keep in mind that the higher it goes the more volatile the trading will become, swings $10 up and down a day will become common place soon so don't trade this as 99% of traders loose money...   buying and holding physical coins, bars and beads is the way to go, in thailand beads of .999 fineness silver can be bought anytime right at spot and sold back to the dealer at spot less 500 baht/kg...

iMho it is also a no brainer, to sell or refinance everything You Own, and buy physical silver!

remember the CABAL aka THE ROTHSCHILDS has 2 achilles heals 1) physical silver
2) Orgonite aka "love energy" and just having the knowledge of this makes Me feel like I am the luckiest Man in the world... for the knowledge of both of those was implanted into My head[by the Operators? ;-)] shortly after I woke up on 9-11-01(the last day I shaved)

take care
:Gare:

p.s. remember  that swapping gold for silver is an easy lay up as well...
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On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Max Power  wrote:

    Hi Gare!

    Silver is going nuts today almost at 45 $ as I write.

    I was wondering what you think of the idea of say refinancing my car
    for cash and then using the cash to buy some physical silver ?

    I don't know if I will be able to do this as I have only been making
    payments for about 18 months.

    The bank will loan upto 80% of median value of car...Anyways I think
    that it is a sound idea if I can get 80- 100 thousand baht out of the
    refinance deal?

    Thanks

    Joel


    On 4/20/11, Gare Clement <cabalbuster@gmail.com> wrote:
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    > $5,000 Gold and $300 Silver are Credible Numbers
    >
    > By James West
    > MidasLetter.com <http://www.lemetropolecafe.com/www.midasletter.com>
    > April 19, 2011
    >
    >
    >
    > *Q:* What do CNBC, George Soros, Warren Buffet and every other mainstream
    > investment commentator on the price of gold have in common for the last ten
    > years?
    >
    > *A:* They are all wrong.
    >
    > All the time, every year, ten out of ten years in a row. If you continue to
    > pay attention to such disinformation, you will lose money. Definitely. No
    > question. Guaranteed.
    >
    > Each and every year, their vapid comments on the future gold price prove to
    > be complete bollocks, yet year after year, and day after day, millions of
    > readers watchers and listeners tune in for another dose of horribly
    > incorrect information.
    >
    > These days, the number of perpetually inaccurate predictions forecasting an
    > end to the gold boom are thoroughly drowned out by the now multitudinous
    > voices screaming from the rooftops for gold to go much higher. About 90
    > percent of that is the herd mentality at work. Early predictions for $1,000
    > gold, which seemed extreme and outlandish just two years ago, turned out to
    > be very conservative. So its easy now to lay claim to being “the one who
    > predicted the gold bull market”.
    >
    > Bandwagon riders aside, there are compelling reasons to support a much
    > higher gold price, and more importantly, a narrowing of the ratio between
    > the gold price and the silver price. One year ago, the silver to gold ratio
    > was 63 ounces of silver for every ounce of gold. Today that ratio is 35:1.
    > Its fallen by nearly half in one year.
    >
    > In terms of pure performance, whereas gold has delivered a solid gain of
    > 26.51% in the course of the last year, silver has outshone gold
    > spectacularly, turning in a gain of 123.55%, making it the commodity trade
    > of the year by far. The effect of that performance is to dramatically alter
    > the perception of investors in terms of its desirability as a precious
    > metal. Its long been a psychological barrier to silver’s progress, in my
    > opinion, that a precious metal could be had so cheap.
    >
    > But as the prices of both monetary metals grows, and their price
    > differentials narrow, investors want an idea of where the future is heading
    > in terms of these prices. Can they continue to grow so dramatically in
    > price, or is there a point at which their price appreciation curve will
    > level out and become more incremental? Or, is there a point at this the
    > upward price curves will plunge steeply downward? And at what point, if
    > every, will the price curves of silver and gold converge? What exactly is
    > the appropriate ratio of gold versus silver? Do we buy bullion, coins,
    > ETF’s, Gold Funds, Senior Miners or Junior Explorers? Which is safest? Which
    > is riskiest?
    >
    > First lets consider the ratio question. If the ratio suggested in the title
    > were to become reality, that would mean a ratio of only ten ounces of silver
    > to buy one ounce of gold. If the ratio curve were to continue climbing in
    > favour silver at the present rate, it would approach 10:1 within another
    > year.
    >
    > But if the ratio were to reflect numbers pegged to certain fundamental
    > realities, then perhaps we could deduce a more rational price differential
    > with better certainty. According to John Stephenson’s Little Book of
    > Commodity Investing, there is 16 times more silver in the earth’s crust than
    > gold.
    >
    > So on that basis alone, the correct price ratio is arguably 16:1. Silver
    > bulls like to point out that silver is unique among monetary metals because
    > of its wide ranging industrial applications, as well as in photography and
    > jewelry. As the silver price continues to consolidate its price differential
    > with gold, it is likely that process modification and substitution will
    > occur wherever possible in the manufacturing supply chain to replace silver,
    > which will dampen industrial demand. Thanks to silver’s unique chemical
    > attributes, however, that effect will be muted.
    >
    > 2009 statistics from the Silver Institute show that global supply of silver
    > was more or less equal to the global demand for silver from all classes
    > including manufacturing and bullion minting. Government stocks of silver are
    > estimated to have fallen by 13.7 million ounces over the course of 2009, to
    > reach their lowest levels in more than a decade. Russia again accounted for
    > the bulk of government sales, with China and India essentially absent from
    > the market in 2009. Regarding China, Gold Fields Mineral Services states
    > that after years of heavy sales, its silver stocks have been reduced
    > significantly.
    >
    > If the silver ratio is heading to 16:1, that implies a near term price range
    > of $90 - $100 per ounce.
    >
    > If gold goes to $5,000 an ounce, and the silver/gold price ratio remains
    > 16:1, there’s silver at $312.50 per ounce.
    >
    > And what, pray tell, is coming down the pike to support a gold price of
    > $5,000?
    >
    > First and foremost, the United States dollar.
    >
    > The whole global financial system is trapped in a situation whereby we have
    > no choice but to permit the United States to continue counterfeiting money.
    > There is no single political force or voice or even prospect with the
    > knowledge and the power to put a stop to the insanity into which we continue
    > to spiral on a daily basis. That means, despite the unanimous chorus from
    > the financial media mainstream, which anesthetizes the human race in an
    > effort to thwart violent protest by design, the fabrication of electronic
    > dollars will continue apace. For years.
    >
    > In terms of strict nominal value, that implies a proportional increase in
    > the prices of, well, everything. Inflation is the direct outcome of monetary
    > expansion in the absence of economic growth. Therefore, gold and silver will
    > be direct beneficiaries of such policy.
    >
    > At the same time, sovereign and large capital pool (LCP) investors in U.S.
    > debt are seeking to exit their holdings of U.S. dollars, The world’s largest
    > bond fund, PIMCO, and its acerbic chief Bill Gross, are now shorting the
    > U.S. dollar. China has stated repeatedly that it will reduce its holdings of
    > U.S. debt. This is sending a signal to the rest of the sovereign wealth and
    > LCPs that the U.S. dollar should be abandoned. That means, when the
    > convulsions that seize the global financial system, such as that of 2008,
    > manifest themselves, investors will flee less and less to the U.S. dollar,
    > and more and more to other currencies – especially gold and silver.
    >
    > So not only does the price of gold appreciate in strictly nominal terms, but
    > demand for it is growing even as it grows exponentially in price. That’s
    > why, given this illogical yet nevertheless existing stupidity, the more
    > expensive gold and silver get, the greater will be their demand as a
    > replacement for U.S. dollar denominated safe haven asset classes.
    >
    > The third major factor that is going to drive gold to $5,000 and silver
    > through $300 is related to the first two. Governments, always reactive and
    > never proactive, will eventually start to ratify gold and silver as official
    > currency alternatives as a result of public pressure.
    >
    > The decision by the people of Utah to do just that was big news recently,
    > even though technically and legally, it always was legal tender in that
    > state. It is this final legitimizing step by regional governments that will
    > open the eyes of the otherwise hypnotized American public. For now, the move
    > is painted as fringe by the idiotic mainstream, who are unwitting pawns for
    > the financial services industry – U.S. Federal Reserve – U.S. Treasury trio
    > of economic under-miners.
    >
    > But contrary to global public perception, this has been a recurring theme in
    > the United States economy, pretty much from day 1.
    >
    > The Daily Astorian, a newspaper of the day in Astoria, Oregon, on May 9th,
    > 1876 published a story the following of which is an excerpt:
    >
    > The people of this country are tolerably familiar with depreciated money.
    > The great mass of them have had nothing else for the last fourteen years. We
    > are accustomed to depreciated Greenbacks, National Bank Notes, Nickels and
    > Silver, and there are those living who can recall the time when Gold was
    > worth less than Silver.
    >
    > The biggest perpetrators of what we, the people, must soon designate as
    > criminals, else suffer the continuing consequences of no jobs and no future,
    > are the United States Federal Reserve, the United States Treasury, The
    > Commodities and Futures Trading Commission, and the Securities Exchange
    > Commission.
    >
    > “Oh but wait,” say some. “The United States Federal Reserve is not a
    > government body….its private.” And? The Federal Reserve is nothing more and
    > nothing less than the off-balance sheet entity of the U.S. Treasury that
    > permits the illegal fabrication of dollars out of thin air without
    > prosecution. Of course this off-balance sheet entity is not an official
    > government body. It was designed that way, exactly as Enron set up LJM L.P.,
    > to hide losses and perform sundry distasteful and illegal acts in an effort
    > to support its parent entity.
    >
    > When an entity is formed specifically to operate outside of the publicly
    > elected offices of government, but is given dominion over the most important
    > property of the voting public – its money – and when that entity acts in
    > direct opposition to the interests of the public to whom it owes a fiduciary
    > duty, then its status as government or private really becomes irrelevant.
    > All that matters in terms of its identity is its treasonous and fraudulent
    > activity.
    >
    > The management of Enron went to jail for their larcenous culture of hiding
    > from shareholders the true extent of their losses, and the illegal nature of
    > their everyday operations. With a bit of luck and perseverance, the same
    > fate will yet befall Bernanke, Paulson, Summers, Rubin, Geithner, Gensler,
    > Shapiro and the rest of the Ivy league thieves. In the meantime, the best
    > defense against their intentional destruction of the United States currency
    > is selling dollars to buy gold for capital preservation and silver for
    > low-risk capital appreciation.
    >
    > The day will come when, instead of teaching that these leaders were nobly
    > trying to ease the pain of financial forces beyond their control, today’s
    > politicians will instead be accurately portrayed as naïve, negligent, and
    > just plain stupid populists whose ignorance of real economic matters was
    > exactly the ingredient necessary to permit the psychopathic and misanthropic
    > banking community to form the financial policies of their governments.
    > Unfortunately, the only ones likely to be alive by the time that happens are
    > now in diapers.
    >
    >
    > ** footnote from Gare**
    >
    > My thinking is that someday silver will be worth 10 times what gold is
    > worth!  it's a historical fact that the silver/gold ratio was based on the
    > number of above ground ounces of each metal available...  nearly ever ounce
    > of gold ever mined is still above ground but out of the billions of ounces
    > of silver mined throughout history less than 1 billion are above ground
    > still with the rest sitting mostly in landfills...
    >
    > have You got physical silver that You can put Your fingerprints on?
    >
    > take care
    >
    > :Gare:
    >
    > p.s. THEY will all go to jail and soon iMho...
    >
  

Silver has gone up over $10 in the last month (subtracting off the margin you have to pay the precious metals exchange which is around $4/oz right now)!  Where else can you get that kind of percentage profit?  ($30-ish to now $45-ish)?

Its gone up over $5 in the last 10 days!!!

The banksters have tried several times to keep gold below $1500/oz troy and silver below $40/oz troy and every time they all just got steam-rolled over.  If the guys who control the worlds banks and money can't even stop this rapid price rise, its really telling.

That the other day the University of Texas converted holdings to physical gold to the tune of 1 BILLION dollars worth is telling of whats coming. I read some where that there's only about 13-14 billion in gold bullion available physically right now so if big corporations start hoarding, we're going to be in a serious shortage situation and that spells very large price increases.

When you consider that there's maybe 1/3 as much physical silver available as there is gold where I also read someone claiming the world will run completely out of silver by maybe 2020, its not hard to fathom whats going to happen here also (and its already started).

And the more silver/gold that leave the vaults with the prices rising are about to give banksters coronaries because of long term future contracts they have to settle on where those contracts will be at a MUCH lower price than street price where the banksters get to lose TONS of money in the process.  It should be a good show!  Might be worthwhile investing in cardiac care hospitals now given banksters are going to be dropping like flies before too long (wink).

Holding at least some silver or gold physical bullion (coins as these are known quantities) is probably a good idea.  With the FIAT currencies starting to slide downhill, paper money is going to be worth less and less but physical bullion will always have a good value.  Kind of "insurance" for survivability during the turbulent time ahead.

And think about this.  All that money you have in the bank or even investments for that matter is  in the end, just numbers in a computer controlled by the banksters and its not backed by anything.  To me this is a very upsetting thought.  Holding gold or silver which retains a real value, at least from my perspective, is a necessary part of any long-term survival plan.

If you buy, buy physical bullion coins.  Do NOT buy silver or gold certificates as this is pretty much a never ending Ponzi scheme by the banksters where there's at least 3 times the number of certificates in circulation as compared to actual physical gold/silver to back them.  They're just "paper" the banksters are betting you're never going to want to convert to physical precious metal.  Yet another bankster scam!

OK, in the US there is FDIC insurance up to $250K or something like that but if paper currencies start sliding downhill where banks start failing all over the place, the US government is going to find itself hard-pressed to cover all the losses and even still, what you get back, if even the same dollar value, would probably be worth far less than it was when you put the money IN the bank.

As a disclaimer, this is just my view of things.  Before buying any gold/silver you need to do your homework and convince yourself it makes good sense.


Gene
  

I just thought I would toss in some info in regards to silver. Again, your own due diligence is still required, just throwing it out there.

Until recently, the previous all time high for gold was 850 an oz, and at the same time, silver hit 50 dollars an ounce. Using shadowstats inflation corrected numbers, we would have to see at least 430$ to match the 50$ high of silver, everything else being equal. In fact, while gold has almost doubled its 1980 high, and now sits at 1500 an ounce, silver is just under 50 right now. But everything is not equal, there is much less above ground supplies of silver available than in 1980. Back then, the US had over a billion ounces in strategic reserve, now it has zero. Just like gold, the banksters have been artificially suppressing the price, but are running out of supplies of metal to do so.

These are good articles,
https://marketforceanalysis.com/art...icle_02511.html
https://marketforceanalysis.com/art...icle092110.html
https://marketforceanalysis.com/art...cle_081310.html
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/silvermystery.html

Nothing is new under the sun, but we are seeing an interesting combination of forces, the start of hyperinflation ala "when money dies" combined with the market trying to correct for severe and extremely long distortion. I think this is just going to pick up from here, after maybe a lull in the summer.

Disclosure:
I'm not selling gold or silver, but I have bought both. I got to the party pretty late (starting in2007), but I have bought both instead of paying down on my debt, and have no regrets. In fact, the more I learn, the more convinced I am, especially in regards to silver.
  

Let me just say that buying silver (or gold though I think silver is a much better investment right now) is NOT to make a profit or get rich.  Quite the contrary.  Silver prices may well nosedive (gold too) before the S**T hits the fan because the banksters want theirs at a cheap price after which they'll deplete the entire supply and prices will skyrocket.  IF and when this happens, but all the gold/silver you can afford just like the banksters will be doing.

Owning silver or gold is one of survival.  When FIAT currencies nosedive and crash, explain to me what "profit" or even "money" means?  Owning physical precious metal coins insures that you'll still be able to buy food, pay the utility bills and survive.  What the silver or gold cost you at this point is immaterial if it means the difference between having a whole bunch of green "toilet paper" versus a pile of metal that ensures you can survive.

Sure things will settle out and there will be changes and things will eventually return to normal (but perhaps a gold backed single world currency or something like this) however, it could be years before the dust settles and in the mean time, you still need to survive.  Owning a pile of something (gold or silver) that has monetary worth regardless what world currencies are doing will help you through the hard times ahead.

Gene
  

the beauty of silver is not just the aforementioned...but also its medicinal/natural antibiotic properties for us humans.  Silver (along with the zapper) can and will kill big pharma...mark these words down.  Along with a zapper and some colloidal silver....lights out to any illnesses.

My family recently battled a quite severe case of late season flu just this past week.  Everyone had gotten a real bad cough, a sore throat, bad congestion and were knocked out.  I was the last to get ill, and I only did get sick because the battery in my zapper was dead and I knew that the next day I was going to get it (I sleep with my zapper every night.)

Anyways, I was the last get it (keep in mind my family is still battling the illness).  With a new battery in the zapper and colloidal silver, I conquered the flu in a day, while everyone in my house still suffered.  I still had some congestion, but no sore throat, no more cough, and my vitality was pretty much 100 percent.  I asked them why did I get better so much faster than them?  Of course, they answered the zapper and colloidal silver.   I asked the rest of my family if they wanted my zapper and colloidal silver...and of course they said no.  I still cannot convince them to try it, even though they see I never get sick or when I do its only for a day, such is their brainwashing.  I try so hard though to convince them.  At least they no longer run to the doctors for antibiotics and try to fight if off naturally.  

The zapper even kills MRSA.  I know, I had quite a hole in my leg and with the zapper on it it healed up fast.  I was concerned about it spreading but it didn't.  MRSA is a very serious thing and the zapper got rid of it all (it wasn't the antibiotics that is for sure).    Even the doctor was amazed.  He said he never seen MRSA and a wound heal so fast before.  I didn't let him in on the secret though because I don't trust doctors.
  

and I just want to say, thank God for Don Croft, because I discovered all this stuff when I was down and out and at rockbottom and in a severe depression from being laid off and generally just grinded down from the corporate fascist machine.  But since my first correspondence with Don, and soon after getting a zapper, I literally got my soul back, and the same child-like natural curiosity and inquisitiveness and energy we are blessed with as children.  That is why I don't think I can ever throw enough orgonite around to pay Don (and Carol) back for that.  I can toss a million TBs out there and I still wouldn't be close to repaying them with what I got back.  But let me tell you...I'm in a key spot to strike some blows....death blows in fact.  My life will be real interesting in the next few months and you can bet I'll be reporting it all.
  

I'd also be remiss to say that I thank everyone that's ever tossed a TB and pumped out positive energies against the death mongers in charge.....it's responsible for waking me and others out there to become hip to the game.
  

Siciliano, to be sure whether it was the zapper or the silver that got it done, you'd need to do some controlled experiments but I know silver colloid is terrific on its own & seems to work on the same principle as zapping.

One of my old witch/Indian mentors, Dorothy West, told me that her Welsh (Ancient Doran Order) granny in Upstate New York in the 1920s (when Dorothy was small) used to instruct the fellas to put a silver coin in the horse trough, then lead a wire from a lightning rod into the water in the trough just before a thunderstorm.  After lightning struck the water, she instructed everyone to drink some.  How cool is that?

Gare has been emailing me a lot about silver and I suggested that he read Babylon's Banksters, as I did a couple of months ago.  I suggested it because the author, Joseph Farrell, is the first one I've encountered who takes the current Chinese dominance of the global market into account.  There are others, too, but none of these guys are getting the kind of attention that the gold/silver merchants' doomsaying is getting.  The latter won't mention China, of course, so they're only showing a small part (the banksters' wish list of destruction) of the current picture.

One of the points that Farrell makes is that in Babylonian/Egyptian times merchants scuttled back and forth between that region and China, trading silver for gold & vice versa.  See, silver was more precious in China and gold was more precious in Egypt and Babylon.  This simple historical datum may help us understand why the Rothschild family occasionally names one of their males, 'Nimrod.'  He also provided a partial family tree for that clan and you rarely find another last name besides 'Rothschild.'   I bet six fingered gloves and tiny hats are standard issue among these cretinous sewer rats and having that last name is surely as desirable as receiving an award from the North American Man Boy Love Association.

Here's a new thought:  What if China will decide that silver is worth more than gold?  Britain made war on China by selling Indian opium in exchange for silver. the Brits collected a whole lot of Chinese silver in the 1800s, got hundreds of millions of people around the world hooked on the opium/heroin and eventually gave China Mao Tse Tung but I think China lately won that old war. They recently turned down Nathan Rotschild's loan request for a few billion dollars to molest India some more.

Another little datum that might be important is that the Chinese are marketing Brown's Gas Generators.  'Joe Blow' (inventor of the Joe Cell) demonstrates some uses for this imploding 'gas' in his videos.  One of the other uses for Brown's Gas is to get twice as much gold out of ore for  a fraction of the expense of conventional methods so how much cheaper do you reckon it is for the Chinese to get gold on account of that? In ancient times, the merchants owned the gold mines and they used slave labor, captured during 'religious wars,' and those were overseen by foreign mercenaries.  They did all that in order to control the price of gold, which was minted for them in the temples by clergymen--another control factor.  

I'm pretty sure Jesus had more in mind than just punishing usurers when he drove them from the Temple. Moses established the "Jubilee" in which all debts were forgiven each seven years and Muhammad forbade lending money at interest.  I'm not getting off topic because usurers have always been in the gold and silver business and they still control it.  Every thousand years or so a Prophet smacked down usury; otherwise we might all be dressed in rags, starving and owned by the ancient Rotshchild hive

I constantly encourage (cajole?) people in email to look beyond the charismatic and tragic doomsayers who sell gold and silver for a living and have been saying that total economic collapse is imminent for the past twenty three years.

Even though the gold and silver merchant family's spokesmen 'have all the answers' (it's all bad news ) it's pretty obvious that there are huge gaps in the tired paradigm that they're selling.

It's fine to talk about this stuff but why not make it a broader discussion that includes new (to us) information instead of just parroting the doomsayers?  I don't have any real answers about this subject but I've got more than enough questions and so should anyone.  The questions seem more informative than the stock answers do.

By now it's probably easy to see that the latest attempt by the ancient bankster clans to cause another Great Depression and then WWIII failed on account of Peking gratuitously bailing out the Western criminal societies (US Congress; European governments).  Maybe preventing genocide and economic collapse is China's real 'veto power.'

~Don