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There is a deep sea experiment, regarding neutrinos, going on in the sea area of Pylos, Hellas. I always thought that neutrinos might be somehow related to the orgone energy or they even might be the same thing!
Time will show...

http://www.nestor.noa.gr/

(Thanks Radi for reminding me about Pylos)  Idea
  




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The German professor Konstantin Meyl talks about neutrinos a lot. He found that earth is growing by about 1-2 cm per year. That's in line with the expanding earth theory and Reich's observation that orgone attracts more orgone and condenses into matter while moving in spiral waves. (vortices)
All matter is orgone in various states of density and agitation.
The chargelss particles (neutrinos) are another theoretical construct to explain this phenomenon. A different way of saying "orgone".
After all we are dealing with man made concepts, terms and metaphors that are used to describe something we don't fully understand.
  




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Very interesting Egoli.buster  Smile

I think it is in our favor that we got orgonite to work even though it is something not scientifically accepted. But I feel very confident that one day the scientific status quo will be forced to change because no one can really stop life from happening  Very Happy

Of course, as you say, it is all about words and people trying to understand life, but words are the forming particles of human realities, so it is very important when new words come on the surface of our understanding. It is an old world giving its place to a new one and, in my point of view, the Big Game is all about setting the proper new words at the right time and place.
  




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I have bought the book of Meyl "scalar waves". He is trying to explain Tesla, Reich, the zapper, Bedini Motor, Testatika and so on starting from the general accepted Physical law. I think he knows very well why the work of Tesla and Reich was obscured. Anyway he starts from the Maxwell equations and he modified them using a duality principe and showing how the classical and quantum physics are in contraddiction and do not follow the cause - effect law. Anyhow he makes the criticism of Reich, because in physics and engineering there are some universal "dogma!". They are even worse than religion.
Of course the book is full of equations that finally justify the existence of "radiant energy" and scalar waves. He worns about elelttrosmog too. So all the things we are dealing with. I found nothing wrong with his statement and explanations. He is coming from scietific studies like me, and he is trying to use a language (math) that is the only one accepted.

Anyway I have learned and study engineering too. Maths is only a language, or better a "world". Many models and physical law are only models "man made" that are trying to give a name or an explanations to something. Math is essentially philosopy. You crate a model in a world that has its rules and then you apply it to reality. In this case you are behaving like a mechanicist as Reich explained in Ether god and devil. The functionalism is a new scientific approach, very simple and linked with nature. All is one. As you trying to use the limitative language of math, you are diverging from reality. How can you explain the feelings connected to orgon energy??

Meyl criticizes the physics because they are inventing muons, quanti and a big variaty of subatomic particles to explain what they can not. So The official science is already a fake Dogma trying to plug holes everywhere. He explains "orgone" with Neutrinos that are "anti matter particles" with no mass carrying energy. Doing this he is always connected to the official science.
He has also a web site where he sells an apparatus to make the tesla experiments with the energy transport without wires. Of course output is > 1 like for Tesla. So free energy is already here.

http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=10_Home&page=1&sublevel=0

Well Neutrinos is Orgone, that is scalar energy (that means without mass and a non vectorial dimension) or zero point energy or ether. I do not think that we can explain with formulas the new etheric science as it is influenced by ourfeelings and being too. The new science will be much more simple for everyone. It needs a new language not math.  Wink
  



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The reason why conventional science can't explain things completely and always has to come up with a "fudge factor" is because this world is not 3d but instead 4d and Tesla and Reich and others who never gained much notoriety all knew this and because of their knowledge were shunned from conventional scientific circles because they "upset the apple cart".

There will come a time in the not too distant future when "ether" as Tesla referred to it (orgone energy as we currently do) is accepted and there's going to be a big upheaval in the scientific community.

Everything in this world and on the "other side" is nothing more than energy.  By principles we don't yet fully understand, somehow energy can compress so densely that it becomes what we refer to in this 3d world as "matter".

Most of what scientists talk about relating to atomic and sub-atomic particles are nothing more than energy with a particular shape, size and speed.  And as you mention, as soon as they get to a point where 2+2 doesn't add up, they invent a new particle that HAS to exist because it needs to so that the formulas work.  Nope!  They're working with flawed models because they won't embrace Tesla's ether.

The near future is shaping up to be quite an interesting journey for all of us.

And with all the hype surrounding it, anti-matter is, in fact nothing more than normal matter where the spins on the electrons are backwards (a.k.a. "anti" to what we consider normal).

Free energy has been around for a long time.  The issue is, big energy (oil, gas, coal, electricity made by conventional means) doesn't want it because it takes away their gravy train and puts them out of business.  They will do anything they can to make sure these devices don't make it into the mainstream, including murdering inventors and stealing all of their documentation. Thing is, there are too many inventors now with working devices for them to go after all of them so again here, the near future is going to be quite interesting.  Soon as the first device makes prime-time, its over for big energy and gas/oil will become useful only for making plastics and solvents and related chemicals.   Cars will be free-energy electric and non-polluting, homes will each have their own small (maybe 10KW) free energy generator and  will either be heated with hot water (electric) baseboard or forced air via a heat exchanger or even radiant electric heat, all completely free, on and on and here too, non-polluting.  This will transform the face of the Earth permanently.

There will be no need to transmit electricity through the ground without wire because anywhere electricity is needed, there will be a small, self-contained "fuelless generator" as Tesla named it.

I can't wait!  It stands to be quite a show!

Gene
  




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Michele, I got that book too. Almost unreadable because some student must have translated word by word from German into English (shudder)
His thinking is a bit clearer wehn you hear him talk...
  




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I got the experiment kit from Meyl, was able to reproduce wireless energy transmission, but not overunity... thought I didn't manage to get to the resonant frequency.
Just one thing about his experiment kit, it is limited with distance and heavily (at least for the kit he sells) and it wouldn't work lets say for a ungrounded car, since  it works as an open air capacitor, the ground is needed for the wireless transfer. Anyway it still an interesting experiment and compared to what exists on the market for wireless technologies that claim to transfer at about 70-80% efficiency. The meyl kit transfers at almost 100% efficiency which is still much better (I don't know about overunity, but even without it 100% efficiency is veerryyy good)
Btw. yeah get the book in german it's much better to read!

What I'd like to add about physics etc. Math is a perfect language that's why it will remain! But as far as concepts of energies used nowadays they are completely flawed! Maths are perfect but they are used in an unperfect way by humans..
For example the conservation of energy... it is a thermodynamic principle, e.g. derived from dynamics of gases!! And stupidly they apply it to everything Razz if the theory has been proven for gas in a box it doesn't mean it's true anywhere else. Actually I believe it is true, but the box we have to consider is a multidimensional box, in which our world is completely contained, then it doesn't mean there isn't more energy that can be tapped in from other dimensions into ours and then released back to the other dimensions later on (multidimensional conservation of energy, very simple)... But that is a concept completely outside of reach for most scientists.. As you said Gene (because this world is not 3d but instead 4d) well it can have an infinite number of dimensions, but that's not even important how many, we just have to acknowledge there are more than what we see Very Happy

Then in quantum mechanics, many major flaws! (in fact not flaws, but ignored truths)
first the uncertainty principle, which can be compared to lets say, you have water in a jar, well from a quantum point of view the water can slip outside of the jar and come back inside it all the time... Apply that to an particle stuck into a specific potential, somehow the particle slips out of its bounds and comes back whenever it wants, and based on that you can't determine the energy/momentum of a particle and its position, because the more you limit it the more it slips out of its restricted bounds.. For me that's again a clue that particles (or energy waves, or whatever it is, I use particle just for simplicity) slip in an out of this dimension all the time! But that doesn't ring a bell for most physicists Sad
Then the second part, in quantum theory it is widely accepted that all interactions that happen have to do with virtual photons (and virtual particles)!! e.g. light that pops up from nowhere to disappears back to nowhere??? It strikes me again as a fact that the energy in our dimension relies on energy that is beyond our dimension.

So for the quarks, neutrinos and all that stuff, I don't mind it can be true or not, but the problem lies in these accepted principles of uncertainty and virtual particles that are widely accepted, but not further researched, they are simply accepted as facts (or more precisely postulates! Someday a guy said this was true, it was verified and accepted end of the story) No one bothers to look deeper into this parts of the theory that in my opinion have enormous implications in understanding our reality.
Not even mentioning the other basis of quantum mechanics! The observer determines the outcome of any experiment, thus what we see happen depends on what we want to happen... >>> this is the most profound of all, because if applied all the time it means every single experience is subjective! It always depends on who is making an experiment and observing it, whatever it is..
The other stupid part, quantum entanglement, a pair of particles created somewhere can be then separated by millions of miles, they will both be bound forever and no one knows why.

Anyway even if this theory is not fully right or not, I understand it's hard to find answers to everything  Laughing
But the point is that all the most interesting parts of the actual theory are widely accepted but never really looked at from a deeper point of view, people prefer to focus on the easy parts of the theory, the hardest parts of the theory can explain A LOT of things, but they are left lying in the dark by everyone, because they somehow don't notice the enormous implications of these subtle domains of the theory Sad And surely the ones who did notice got kicked out...

ANd yeah Maxwell theory then as meyl looks at it, the original theory depended on a pure scalar field of potential (A) which now is ignored, because it is just considered useful as a mathematical construct. The actual theory still relies on it, but it has been hidden now and the theory has been re-gauged to apply to closed loop circuits, which will prevent overunity from being derived theoretically.

Anyway and loads of other details in every single theory. There is already more than enough in actual theories to prove that our reality is dependent on something else to exist (a field of energy, orgone of whatever name it can be given) and that the observer determines the outcome! So we create our own reality all the time, and that everything in the universe is linked (quantum entanglement)... All of which are the basis of physics today and are completely ignored  Cool

Just for fun:
If you want free energy in small scale, get an aluminium plate, let it hang like 1/2m above the ground, connect it to the positive side of a capacitor and connected the negative side of the capacitor to the ground... There you have it, the capacitor will charge up forever day and night... just need to scale it up and make a circuit to discharge the capacitors when they are full (thats the annoying engineering part lol). Thanks tesla for the 'radiant receiver patent' one of the most easy solutions out there, while other more complicated (and that can produce much more energy) are hidden.
  




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